Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them. - Duke Leto Atreides
I use these plus full Camelback most of the time.http://www.camelbak.com/Sports-Recreation/Bottles/Podium-Big-Chill-25oz.aspxIf you ride in Phoenix you better be drinking like a horse most of the time..
Looks like a smart buy. Thanks for the advice.